Feedback from the Issue of Thursday, February 19, 2009

THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD

You won't stop Scientology: Like it or not, Scientology's here to stay. It isn't going to be driven away or driven underground by any group of any kind, any time. Anyone who doesn't like it may as well resign himself or herself to the fact that Scientology is an anvil that will wear out any hammer.

If spewing hate is what makes you happy, enjoy yourself. You won't stop Scientology.

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L. Ron Hubbard House

5501 N. 44th St.
Phoenix, AZ 85018

Category: Attractions and Amusement Parks

Region: East Phoenix

The L. Ron Hubbard House is just that, a house. Ron Hubbard lived there at one time. There isn't anything hidden or secret about that. Some people (including quite a few neighbors who aren't deranged) have actually enjoyed seeing the house and safely eating some coffee cake.
Russell Shaw, Phoenix

Scientologists are always recruiting: You can expect that all Scientologists are always in the process of recruiting. That's all they do. Even when they tell you they are not recruiting, it's because they're recruiting. They're graced with the "ethical" directive to lie to everyone outside the cult to make the cult grow, and take in more money. It's not rocket science — the ex-cult members all say the exact same thing.
Jeff Oxenburg, New York City

It's all about playing a better game: Wow! Must have been a really slow news day at New Slimes. You didn't even manage to make a mole hill out of this mole hill. "Run for your lives! The Scientologists are coming, and they're bringing cake!"

The facts are that Dianetics is man's only science of the human mind, and Scientology is man's only science of the spirit and life. The goal of Scientology is making the individual capable of living a better life in his own estimation and with his fellows — playing a better game.

Now, my having said that doesn't make it true. And others claiming it's false doesn't make it false. So, I encourage one and all to grab a basic book on the subject by the author of the subject, L. Ron Hubbard.
Jim Reeves, Phoenix

Beware a takeover: Folks in Arizona, you have to keep this L. Ron Hubbard House under close watch and do something to stop it. Listen to what ex-Scientologists are saying. Check it out for yourselves, as there are many people aware of this cult and how it takes over lives, towns, and legislative bodies.
Wendy Tocan, Toronto

Investigate before you judge: I find it fascinating that people have negative viewpoints on subjects they know very little about. It shows that we are a society that believes everything we read and hear in the media and don't bother looking for ourselves.

Why don't the neighbors of the L. Ron Hubbard house go to their library and take out one of the books by Mr. Hubbard and find out for themselves what Scientology is? A very good book is A New Slant on Life.
Mary Joost, Phoenix

The cult that killed Clearwater: The residents of this neighborhood would do well to investigate what's happened to the residential and business areas of Clearwater, Florida, and specifically the residential areas around cult buildings in Los Angeles.

Downtown Clearwater's almost dead. The townspeople are terrified of the cult, and any opposition is met with covert and overt personal attacks.

I suggest that residents of this area in Phoenix join together and radically oppose any more cult expansion or incursions, because the one thing folks in other towns have discovered is give the cult an inch and it will take 10 miles.
James Lightfoot, Cincinnati

Neighbors are the hypocrites: I took an art group on a tour of this Phoenix facility, as L. Ron Hubbard was a huge supporter of the arts, photography, and writing.

The tour was great, the house was great, and Marlyse Brock was an excellent tour guide, very informative. There was plenty of parking on the property; she supplied us with cookies, juice, coffee, and tea.

Besides mentioning the fact that Mr. Hubbard was the founder of Scientology, we were never approached to attend a meeting, given any literature, or given any other type of propaganda.

I think the neighbors should be grateful there is a little bit of history in their neighborhood and that the property is kept in such great condition.
Virginia Curry, Phoenix

It's nothing but a corporation: Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard told his son that the best way to become a millionaire was to start a religion, admitting that Scientology is nothing but a fictionally created story.

Scientology is nothing but a corporation that thrives on the ignorance of its followers by selling them books and courses on how to "improve" themselves spiritually.
Robert Lindblad, Montreal

We have no reason to "convert" anybody: I find it all very suspicious that these neighbors have such negative attitudes about Scientology, and I wonder who has fed them the misinformation about the subject. As a member of Scientology since 1969 and someone who isn't a foreigner and who has lived in Phoenix since 1948, I'm just amazed and dumbfounded by it all.

I can state without reservation that this house makes no attempt to convert anyone to Scientology, sells no product, takes in no money for anything, and, in fact, is simply a place where someone can go who would like to know more about Mr. Hubbard, not the Church of Scientology.
Jim Bennett, Phoenix

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38 comments
sonja
sonja

i would have thought LRH material would be gone by now.i mean who wants to continue this crapp he set up?what the heck is wrong with people that they fall for such nonsense...are they looking to lose money??and who cares if the scions are on here chattin.they will never stop..who can stop them??the gov't? try again....the one person who can stop them is mohammed

anonymous
anonymous

I wonder how many of the Pro scientology letters were written by the Scientology OSA staff.

Truth
Truth

All you have to do is read what exScientologists say about Scientology. And there are a ton of them. Read all the Scientology books you want. It is a money motivated business.But realize you wont know what it is Scientology actually does to people by reading any of their books. They pay their staff terrribly. They're lucky to get $80.00 a week for working 90+ hours. No medical, no dental, no help from Scientology. Disconnection is real (Tommy Davis is an outright liar).Disconnection is when a Scientologist decides to go public about the bad things they experienced in Scientology. Scientology declares these type of people "Supressive Persons". At this point, any Scientologist connected to these "SPs" are required to disconnect from them or they themselves will be declared. Children have no stake in this whatsoever. Read the stories of family members not talking to people in their families for years and years. Scientology is a cult. Control of their members is paramount!

hahaha
hahaha

haha i ran into my ex on here.a scientology

angel
angel

paul...is it ymail or gmaiL?

angel
angel

paul...is it ymail or gmaiL?

angel
angel

I'll take you up on that mask!!

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Ang, it would be great to meet you, your in my City eh, well I was a little into the wine with my last post and you can email me at: ymail.com rather then Yahoo.com, bit of an oops there.You asked me how much of Hubbards' books have I read? Well, I studied the shit out of a few, (thats what they do)...and read a half dozen or more...I read a sick amount of Tech and Admin. I listened to a couple hundred Taped Lectures, and honestly; I really enjoyed the whole thing until I started getting screwed by them and realized they ARE basically fukked beyond belief. My sentiment today on this subject is very much what you might read at askthescientologist.blogspot.c...

I own the entire Library plus sum; I assume there is still quite a bit of joy and success in the Freezone, but I wouldn't know. Will you write me? I got an extra mask...

Dave
Dave

LOOK don't listen -- When dealing with Scientologists, they say "read the book" to find out what it is. That's what first got me interested. There is MORE to it than what's in the books, and they are pro's at trying to manipulate others. They may not be evil, but it's not the definition of honesty, respect, compassion and love I was taught!A Scientologist is trained to manipulate all others, regarded as "degraded beings." They know how to turn on the charm and admire people, until you get reeled in. Whatever. It's true -- all of it -- the good AND the bad.

William Buddusky
William Buddusky

Scientology's most important mission is to "Clear the Planet". That means convert every single human being to scientology. They anticipate that 2.5 % of humanity can't be converted. The plan for them? They should be "disposed of quietly and without sorrow". That's a direct quote from the teachings of L.R. Hubbard. anybody who says it's not there plan is not telling the truth.Hubbard was a scoundrel, a liar and a fraud. He doesn't deserve respect, reverence or a museum.

angel
angel

hey paul at yahoo...we sure can connect.how much of the books did you read??

KEVIN
KEVIN

To believe the alleged virtues from a Scientologist's mouth is to forfeit the facts. So much information on Scientology is available, that to accept claims that all criticisms are "lies" is to already be a brainwashed member of this cult. Don't believe any of us - go educate yourself about it. The truth is here.

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Ang, wher you ak? If your in edmonton we should Conneck. paul default at.yahoo.com

Final comment: #38 is exactly right and bang on. ARROGANCES is totally the point. I read the books... Hubbard says himself, his own writings, (and they love to echo to point in their bullshit CCHR Briefings)

"suppressive are arrogant beyond belief (Psychiatrists)...and is one of the ways to detect them.."

close enough.

What's suppressive now?... Its fuk-en gross.

I want to see this Cult own up to their Bull Shit!And forgive mee, for my two finger struggles...(this actually sucks.)Necessary corrections to my earlier coment: DM found his Mother-IN-LAW successfully shot FOUR times, by a Rifle, three to the chest, once to the face. (Ballistics ignored?)bla bla bla

What an arrogant evil PR prick he is regardless.

angel
angel

anonymous

you are awesome

HubrisExposed
HubrisExposed

The Anonymous Intelligence Directorate Services Division (AIDSDiv), wishes to apologize for our colleague's inability to hit a proper or key at the appropriate moment. It is with regret that we offer this correction.

The previous post was in error when it gave the link to the article in question. The correction should read...

http://celebrity.aol.co.uk/200...

We continue to call upon Mr. Hawkins to join the dialog regarding the beliefs of Scientologists with regard to their fellow human beings, and how these beliefs truly express themselves in our communities.

We are Anonymous.We are Legion.We never forgive.We never forget.

Expect us.

HubrisExposed
HubrisExposed

As Mr. Hawkins has failed to respond to direct inquiries, and as previously he has also done so in defense of Tom Cruise's reprehensible behavior with respect to a colleague, celebrity model Kate Moss...

The Anonymous Intelligence Directorate Services Division (AIDSDiv), wishes to make the following offering and to encourage readers of the Phoenix New Times to review the following article and the comments thereunto attached, and then to consider well the fact that Mr. Cruise is:

1) the public face of Scientology;

2) has been "outted" in print as "the second most powerful man in Scientology;"

3) is an "Operating Thetan Level VIII," which gives him the belief he has absolute mental control over Matter, Space, Energy, and Time AND HE EXPRESSES THIS IN THE FORM OF ATTEMPTING TO DOMINATE AND CONTROL BOTH HIS ENVIRONMENT AND THOSE AROUND HIM WITH MEASURE THAT GO BEYOND REASON;

4) above all of these factors and more, which lead him AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF TRULY WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A SCIENTOLOGIST, Tom Cruise is a compete and utterly arrogant asshole.

http://celebrity.aol.co.uk/200...

OPEN CHALLENGE TO MR. ROBERT HAWKINS

Mr. Hawkins, it has been more than 12 hours since you were challenged to answer pointed questions in order to back up your statements. As yet you have failed to make an appearance to do so.

Again Mr. Hawkins, the entire world wishes to know the answers to the questions. Silence is as telling as the Truth, but is not near so respected. Are you incapable of factually defending yourself?

We are Anonymous.We are Legion.We do not forgive.We do not forget.

And you, Mr. Robert Hawkins, should always expect us.

You have been noticed.

kthxbai

truth
truth

Scientology is just a supremacist group that hides behind the word "religion" and a glossy marketing strategy. All of the comments, marketing gimmicks, etc, are set up so that you go any buy one of their $25 books. Those books try to claim that Scientologists are "homo novis" and are better beings than everyone else. They even have a 'tone scale,' where people like doctors and non-Scientologists are at the bottom, the place where they "should be disposed of quietly and without sorrow" (Hubbard, Science of Survival, p.100)

The KKK has an unassuming web site too. Those notorious African-American haters have a web title of "spreading a message of LOVE not HATE." Does that mean that we let them off so easily?

The neighbors have every right to be upset about this group setting up shop so close to them.

Anonymous
Anonymous

I disagree with your point regarding "feeling superior," and allowing them to do so. It is that allowance which has created the arrogance of such as Tom Cruise which is now being articulated by his peers.

see: http://celebrity.aol.co.uk/200...

The persons showing up to defend him are either irrational and use a great deal of profanity, or as with this story they've sent in a Mr. "Robert Hawkins" as a pretense to a voice of "unbiased" moderation. Mr. Hawkins was immediately exposed as someone who had previously taken money from Scientology to author, "From Clear to Eternity," and his defense of Tom Cruise's reprehensible arrogance shifted to "what have these people done to you directly?"

THAT IS ARROGANCE! To believe that unless I have been harmed directly, the harm they do others is not my business and completely unimportant. This false sense of superiority assumed by people so incredibly stupid as to buy this garbage, is fundamentally the basis for ALL of the abuses of Scientology.

Arrogant is not a word most churches see applied to them very often. In Scientology's case, not a day goes by without them communicating their false belief in personal superiority which they use to self-justify acting out in ways that range from COMPLETELY social unacceptable to ILLEGAL.

No, I cannot agree. Their arrogance makes them dangerous, and I very much care that that trait is forever destroyed. I do not need Scientological fascism in the world's politics or polite society, and neither does anyone else.

JustWilliam
JustWilliam

The Church of Scientology is silly. It is a very small, and rapidly shrinking little "church".

"Never going to destroy it"? Who cares? The church is doing a very good job of imploding, all by itself. It is the laughingstock of the Internet and the world. Its lies, abuses and fraud are well known -- except by its True Believers.

It IS important that the criminals of Scientology be brought to justice It IS important that the abuses and fraud be stopped.

But the True Believers? Who cares? If they want to believe in that stuff, let them. It makes them "feel superior". Great.

davelog
davelog

Aliens from another dimension, a 4-armed broad wielding flowers, an old man in the clouds that remembers everyone's birthday. They're all equally ludicrous in my eyes, but hey, whatever gets you through the night.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Perhaps. Reasonable minds can most certainly disagree with your point, but there is one thing which is equally certain and that is that the vast majority of the people on planet "Teegack" know for SURE Scientology is a cult.

davelog
davelog

>> WRONG. Scientology is not "recognized" as a religion in the United States for the government is not in the business of "recognizing" them. Why lie?

I think you're using the wrong criteria. I'm not validating scientology versus some other belief system, I'm saying from the outside, they all look the same.

When you don't believe in any of it, they ALL look like cults.

Phoenix
Phoenix

"Scientology is as valid as any other religion. You want to all one, you got to allow all."

Comment by davelog from Phoenix on Feb 19th, 2009, 11:36 am

WRONG. Scientology is not "recognized" as a religion in the United States for the government is not in the business of "recognizing" them. Why lie?

Scientology is ON PAPER, a not for profit, tax exempt, "charitable organization" which cannot demonstrate ANY SINGLE ACT OF CHARITY which did not have an agenda attached to it that led to PROFIT $$$$$$$$!!! MANY, many, BILLIONS of stolen dollars, wasted lives, and people destroyed.

We don't "HAVE to all" (sic) ANYTHING. This is criminal enterprise, operating as a cult, masquerading as a religion. Why should we tolerate arrogant bullshit, bad science, and people who as a rule make a habit of using and abusing others, themselves, and the privileges of a civilized society?

$cientology IS A CULT! PROVE ME WRONG.

We are Anonymous.We are LEGION (you stupid cultic lunatics).We will NEVER forgive.We will NEVER forget.

EXPECT US

kthxbai

angel
angel

well bob, if scientologists have nothing to hidethen they wouldn't have to "rob" people of their moneyin order to "attack" those who have just as much of a rightas anyone else in the FREE world. they would be content torake in the dough. but instead are still raking in the dought but are covering it up. threatening those who "stand up" to such an abomination. makes me wonder exactly WHY they have nothing better to do than to harass people.its a criminal offense to harass...where is the law!?

its to bad they take criticism to heart...its not all gone to the dogs

angel
angel

here here DM!!how right you are.

it is up to the the non scientologists and ex members to educate the poor, unsuspecting souls who wanderinto such a cult for a goal that is not worthyfor even its tenets to be printed on toilet paper to wipe the ass of evil!!

bob dobbs
bob dobbs

People who publicly speak out against Scientology are very brave. Scientology will spare no expense on private investigators to check out a critic's background and they're not above a little fabrication if it's noy juicy enough. Scientology has paid $60,000 for full page ads in the New York Times denouncing Germany as a Nazi state because Germany treats Scientology like a business. It's doubtful whether Scientology has spent 60 grand on real charitable things like soup kitchens or housing the homeless in it's entire history, it's spent millions of dollars a year on private investigators and lawyers though.

David Miscarriage
David Miscarriage

Anyone commenting favorably about this cult cannot ask others to read about Hubbard without themselves reading the real history of Hubbard, an alcoholic, pill-popping, child-abusing charlatan. Members of Scientology are forbidden to read anything critical of Hubbard.

Scientoloy is still responsible for the biggest domestic spying case in American history when, in the 70's, they infiltrated the justice department and the IRS and were busted. Hubbard ran away to see and many Scientologists were charged, including Hubbard's wife at the time.

It is Scientologists who are denied the truth of their so-called church, not legitimate critics and ex-Scientologists who have done the research on this malevolent cult.

David Miscarriage
David Miscarriage

Anyone commenting favorably about this cult cannot ask others to read about Hubbard without themselves reading the real history of Hubbard, an alcoholic, pill-popping, child-abusing charlatan. Members of Scientology are forbidden to read anything critical of Hubbard.

Scientoloy is still responsible for the biggest domestic spying case in American history when, in the 70's, they infiltrated the justice department and the IRS and were busted. Hubbard ran away to see and many Scientologists were charged, including Hubbard's wife at the time.

It is Scientologists who are denied the truth of their so-called church, not legitimate critics and ex-Scientologists who have done the research on this malevolent cult.

Shannon Arelta
Shannon Arelta

Come on, guys! EVERY time some criticism of this criminally-convicted cult comes into the news, you'll see the same couple of comments from Scientology's secret service (OSA):1) "You don't know anything about Scientology, where did you get this information? The Web?"2) Since you don't know anything about Scientology, you should go out and buy our books, then come in and pay for classes".

This stuff is so repetitious, it's laughable.We DO know what we're talking about. Most of it comes from cases like Armstrong V. Scientology, Wollersheim v. Scientology, etc. It is in the court records, people. Look up the harm this group has done to its own members and tell us again we don't know what we're talking about! Scientology: the only cult with an over-active intelligence agency.

Fredric L. Rice
Fredric L. Rice

Actually law enforcement around the world have managed to stop the Scientology crime syndicate's various crimes and abuses routinely, including the Scientology crime boss "Reverend" Reed Slatkin. What's lacking in the United States is Congressional funding needed to roll up the Scientology crime syndicate once and for all, a project that Lt. Ray Emmons was tasked with to design the dismantleing plan for Federal officers.

And Russel Shaw who wants to pretend that opposing organized crime is hate, when you fled FBI officers in 1999 for the Federal investigation in to Scientology's so-called "Sporgery" crimes, you knew the Scientology crime syndicate's time was almost up.

Anyone who wants to ask me about Scientology, what it is, what it does, and what Scientology's "Sporgery" crimes were, you can email me or do a google search on the word.

Scientology is organized crime. That's all Scientology is.

davelog
davelog

Scientology is as valid as any other religion. You want to all one, you got to allow all.

Carrie
Carrie

I have a similar story. I did some research into Scientology and the human rights abuses documented in court cases shocked me. As a human rights advocate, I went to one of these peaceful protests. It was an afternoon with a bunch of young people with signs and fliers, music, some honestly terrible dancing, and someone brought a cake. I've protested for many different causes before and this was one of the friendliest, most fun gatherings I've seen.

However, when I left the protest, I was followed home by a man taking pictures of me. He stalked me, I assume, to find out where I live. A bit of a terrifying prospect for a woman living alone. He stood right in front of my car so I couldn't leave while he took pictures of my license plate. I even noticed a car with the Scientology symbol (an "S" inside two triangles) on the bumper following me as I drove away. I guess they didn't realize how obvious it was. A few weeks later, I received a threatening letter from a law firm claiming to represent the Church of Scientology calling me the leader of a terrorist organization and how I'd better stop my "illegal" actions or I'd be arrested. It was clearly an intimidation attempt! I was absolutely shocked, in all my time as an activist, I've never never seen something like this happen. I guess anyone who disagrees with Scientologists in any way is considered a "terrorist" to them.

Roger Minter
Roger Minter

The cult is incredibly dangerous. Very few people know this (though the documentation is all over the web if you bother to look for it), but Scientology operates its own labor camps where people have vanished and died (Rehabilitation Project Force), is responsible for the largest government infiltration in the history of the US (Operation Snow White), have a policy that destroys families by forcing people to cut off contact with anyone in their life who is not a scientologist (the policy is known as Disconnection), utilize authoritative hypnosis at all levels of their "classes" (documented by many sources, including the Australian Government's Anderson Report), and has used incredibly unethical and illegal methods to silence opponents (Operation Freak Out was one example. Fair Game is the policy). This is not, and never has been, an issue of religious intolerance. It is an issue of safety. This cult/organization needs to be destroyed for the good of its followers and everyone else.

Mr. Inis Common
Mr. Inis Common

Anyone with a few spare minutes on their hands can do some reading from both sides of the fence and see that the people concerned have very good reasons to be. That aside, I believe that its the traffic involved that is of greatest concern, turning a six month rental in the 50's, by a maniac con-artist, into some sort of 'shrine' smacks of continuing 'scamology' in my honest opinion.

Mr. Inis Common
Mr. Inis Common

Anyone with a few spare minutes on their hands can do some reading from both sides of the fence and see that the people concerned have very good reasons to be. That aside, I believe that its the traffic involved that is of greatest concern, turning a six month rental in the 50's, by a maniac con-artist, into some sort of 'shrine' smacks of continuing 'scamology' in my honest opinion.

Anonymous
Anonymous

Oh. We're doing THIS again? I was having a very pleasant evening until once again Scientology intrudes on my life. It isn't as though moving into my neighborhood and acting like fools hasn't been enough, the have to continually lie for PR reasons and intrude on my life in order to be effectively countered.

Don't you people get it? You're not an "anvil;" you're not "hammers;" you are MOST DEFINITELY NOT "Homo Novis!" You are average people of apparently HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE judgement, GTFO out of my neighborhood or be ready to battle in court, the media, and the damned City Council.

Sell the house and get out. You are not welcome.

angel
angel

What kind of mentality do those who buy the "books" have?And they call psychiatrists messed up!!Spending alot of money to get where? All they are doing is spending money to get broke!And a house for LRH? wtf for.if scientology cared for making the world such a better place that money could have been put to better use...counselling for the ex members to get over all the crap that was pushed on their fragile beings...tsk tsk

ccas
ccas

Scientology keep saying people criticize something they know little about, such as Dianetics. You have to see for yourself or pick up the book. This is very untrue. There are plenty of critics written about Dianetics, in which a list can be find in Wikipedia, for example. Dianetics claims to be a science but it's not regarded as such by most independent scientists.

Asking people to try is like drug pushing. You have to try to see what the high is about. Scientology claims to be the expert in well being of the mind. If you believe in god, you have to believe in the devil as well. So there must be virus of the mind, and Scientology may be just that.

 
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