One more thing on the picket tip: If you want, bring it on, Karlie. This feisty finch would love to see you and four more of your wigga pals protestin' down here at Jefferson and 12th Street.

Half-white, half-Pakistani rapper Grime, himself the subject of a previous New Times cover story ("Rappin' Radical," August 31, 2006), was critical of D'Andrea initially but softened his position later, posting one pic on Arizonabeats.com of an all-white Blunt Club crowd and one of a far-darker Groove Candy scene, stating, "although there is some cross visitation, most of the people who go to Groove Candy don't go to Blunt, and vice versa."

Is there any problem with recognizing that one hip-hop scene has more color, and is more authentic than another? Hell, can you even think of more than a handful of successful white rap/hip-hop acts? Okay, Eminem, maybe Paul Wall and Everlast. Definitely the Beastie Boys, despite the fact they're annoying as shit. (The Bird figures you could throw in Kid Rock or Justin Timberlake or Nelly Furtado or Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas, though they ain't this winged wordsmith's personal snifter of Hennessy.)

Christ, you almost have to include Vanilla Ice to get to nine, and everyone knows he was wack.

The Bird turned to Phoenix activist Jarrett Maupin for his view. The Rev. didn't want to take anything away from Latino artists or artists of other backgrounds, but he agreed the source of the art form matters, a lot.

"The situation with hip-hop is kind of similar to jazz," analogized Maupin, who's the local head of Al Sharpton's National Action Network. "I'm not saying that there's no room for Louis Prima or Dave Brubeck or George Gershwin. But jazz came straight out of the slave plantation. There was no way to have jazz without the black experience. And in its purest form, that's what it is."

Nor is there anything racist with indicating, as a writer and a critic, that something is weak. This bullfinch's been down to the Blunt Club many a time. And more than once, The Bird's cringed inwardly while watching some white ASU dropout rise to the mic. D'Andrea simply said what many have been too polite or too politically correct to say elsewhere.

Hip-hop sprang from the black cultural experience, and if you ain't of color, you'd better be damn good if you're going to come across as anything more than a wigga.

LYNCH MOBBERS

The grossest thing about Sand Land's ongoing immigration debate is how it's empowered pathetic, wing-nut losers that nobody would lend 10 cents' worth of time to otherwise.

Take the internal investigation veteran Mesa police detective Matt Browning underwent over complaints about Browning's being at the Arizona Legislature on March 13, 2007, for a seminar titled "Improving the Tone of the Immigration Debate."

Browning, who's spent some 12 years of his career undercover, infiltrating white supremacist hate groups, observed that anti-illegal sentiment had become a rallying cry for extremists. He noted an overlap between such groups on the border as the Minutemen and more radical organizations like the neo-Nazi National Alliance.

Browning's boss, Mesa Police Chief George Gascon, gave Browning the okay to speak. There were other speakers present. State Representative Kyrsten Sinema organized the event. Panelists took questions from the audience, sometimes hostile ones from nativists in attendance. But Browning was the one the anti-immigration folks fixated on because he was a cop and because what he was saying about some nativists could not be easily assailed.

Browning told the assembled that he's been undercover in numerous skinhead and nativist orgs, adding, "Every meeting, every discussion, everything revolves around immigration. Every meeting has started with somebody spouting off something about stopping the dirty Mexicans, stopping the waves of the browns, stopping it from happening."

Browning's statement, captured by the Legislature's online streaming media service, quickly made the rounds on Google video, inflaming the nativists to no end.

A gang of eight was soon complaining about Browning to the Mesa PD, spawning a five-month investigation by Mesa's internal affairs cops, who ultimately concluded that Browning should be exonerated of claims that he was somehow a "dirty cop" for speaking at the seminar.

This mockingbird stopped by Mesa PD recently to pick up its copy of the report, making a very interesting discovery. Of the eight men and women writing in via e-mail or letter to kvetch about Browning, none lived in Mesa. Moreover, The Bird spotted some familiar names, anti-immigrant nutjobs like Sandra Miller and Rick "Buffalo Chip" Galeener, who live in Phoenix and Cave Creek, respectively.

Miller, who sometimes goes by S.J. Miller, is an über-Froot Loop who at least acts like she's borderline retarded every time this avian runs into her at a nativist demo. She often shakes her hand and bobs her head like a kid who has to go potty.

Miller's not much of a writer, but it hasn't stopped her from penning psycho screeds for wing-nut rags like Cave Creek's Sonoran News, and more disturbingly, for the online nativist publication VDARE.com, named for Virginia Dare, the first English (read white) baby born in the New World. The Southern Poverty Law Center's labeled VDARE.com a hate site, and an online "meeting place for many on the radical right."

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Ivory
Ivory

Come check out a few of AZ's dopest " Crackers" as the new times likes to put it. Along with the More "Authentic" black rappers ....oh these people. This friday Feb 29th @ Canvas 1011 n 3rd st Phoenix. Tha Formula (New times best of winners though they never recieved any type of write up at all????) Ivory, Knawledg, Dem Rascalz, and more 10 doller cover, hit me up www.myspace.com/ivory for tickets!!!

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

Sorry, the correct track title is "I Wished On The Moon" from the album "Swinging On The Moon". Don't know why I can't get these things right the first time.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

I really can't speak to the whole "wanna-be" issue, since I don't listen to this sort of "music" regardless of who voices it. To be perfectly fair, however, I must admit, after listening to some early Crosby the other day (Bing, not David) that Der Bingle was (uncharacteristically) most annoying and artificial when trying to sound like one of the "jive cats" -- I believe that's what they're called -- in songs like "Yes, Indeed", so perhaps there is some validity to the criticisms voiced by New Times staff. (Der Bingle is reported by Wikipedia to have been "hep" on the Mary Jane, and one can almost smell the smoke on that and similar tracks.) On the other hand, if KC and the Sunshine Band (or the frequency with which they've been sampled) is any indication, then Whitey does occasionally "get it". That said, I'm now going back to Mel Torme singing Wishing On The Moon. Gotta love The Velvet Fog at the height of his powers. You go, White boy.

ShotCaller
ShotCaller

Niki is a lesbian, you idiot. If you read the paper, you'd know that. Maybe you should observe a little harder.

observer
observer

Sounds like Nikki D'Andrea allowed her personal fetish for thuggish looking black men to cloud her judgment of what is "real" and "not real" in the world of hip hop.

Another stupid white girls senses warped by MTV.

rasheedah
rasheedah

that was a trite bill o'reilley style opinion - with commentary that was both ill-informed and ignorant. like someone mentioned previously, saudis, turks, armenians, iranians, and egyptians all are considered middle eastern with cultural links that are broad. if her connection to the hip-hop community is real then that's all that needs to be said. if someone is willing to judge a hip-hop scene and call it "authentic" while referring to other hip-hop as being otherwise then a) i want to see that they've don't their homework and know that rapping about socially and politically charged issues has been and always will be at the heart of art form - an art form that many both black and non-black have long been a part of. unfortunately, the bloodsucking music industry tapped into the popularity of a certain kind of rap and marketed it in a manner so that that's all that people ever hear, it's all that gets played. and many in the hip hop community are furious about that. there's room for everything and the thug life isn't the only relevant life that hip hop does/should represent. it's a part of it. appreciating and making use of an art form is something that should be applauded and hip hop is the modern incarnation of blues and jazz which was birthed from an experience but lives and thrives through its diversity. hip hop, unlike what you're "pecking," continues to be one of the most openly and comfortably diverse music genres you'll encounter.

b) if you're going to claim something to be authentic or defend someone for making the assertion that something is authentic while something else is not, be prepared to have your credibility, authenticity, and authority challenged and have tough enough skin to accept and qualify your reasoning because from where i sit, you're defending someone who should be defending her own comments and playing into the same hate-mongering that you claim to dislike in your immigration discussion. just a note - just because someone's skin is lighter, doesn't mean they have a robe in their closet - a room could be full of asian americans, latinos, native americans, middle easterners, and whites and could all look quite similar from a distance. people should have an option when listening to music. and should not feel pigeonholed into an "outsiders" definition of what an authentic experience should be as a black person, a hip hop artist, a member of a certain community, or a shock writer. and i'm sorry, it is ok to call a statement racist - if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

Giulio Sciorio
Giulio Sciorio

I think Niki did a great job covering the scene. Kim Commons is sad not to advertise because of the article. I've been going to Blunt since day one and try to make it down as often as I can.

I never even knew about Groove Candy until I covered it for New Times and I probably wont go to GC much because I'm not a fan of the venue. Plus I really like the scene that Blunt has created over the years. Where else you gonna see Crown City Rockers in AZ and have the MC jump off stage to break with the b-boys on floor? Blunt. Oh yeah seeing Public Enemy at Blunt was rad and so is all the sweet local rap I see there too.

I think both GC and Blunt are of great benefit to the community. Hey it's Arizona and its' about the only culture we got.

You did great Niki.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

Dear me, I meant to write "Star 97.5".

Anyhoo, I just wanted to add that, regarding Mr. Eminem, I believe he refused permission to Weird Al Yankovic to do a parody cover of one of his, er, songs. Granted, it was likely food-oriented and demode, but honestly, doesn't this sort of cowardice make him a...a...[consults dictionary of underworld slang] a punk-assed bitch?

BlackasNight
BlackasNight

Forgot to put Lil Spank from Phearless on blast too. Fake ass gangsta. Fake ass playa. Phearless dont even have its own website, y\'all! Just a piddly Myspace account.

Know why they call him Lil Spank? Cause it\'s little and he like to spank it.

Emil Pulsifer
Emil Pulsifer

I'm sorry, and "hip-hop" means??? It seems to refer to some genre of popular music, though my dictionary describes it as a subculture of big-city teenagers which includes rap, break-dancing, and graffiti. Could this be what replaced my beloved Star 95.5 some months ago?

At any rate, I really must beg to differ with the writer when he claims that the message of the movie 8 Mile is that "you can't step to the mic and be a punk". Though I've not seen this particular example of cinema verite, I have seen Mr. Eminem, accidentally, while changing channels between reruns of News Radio and Frasier, and I can say authoritatively that he is the very embodiment of a punk. Indeed, judging from the irritating noise I sometimes hear spewing from passing motor-vehicles, being a punk is de rigueur in the, er, field of endeavor to which he has applied himself. (I refer here to the crass and infantile narcissism by which the semi-evolved practitioners of the craft attract legions of equally moronic and vulgar fans, not to the distortion-ridden, screw-loosening, high-intensity vibrations emanating from car trunks and attempting to pass as music -- though that is also irritating and consistent with the term "punk", provided that by this one intends "a worthless young hoodlum" and not some more idiomatic usage.)

Does anyone (aside from professional sociologists who are paid to study such phenomena) really care about the inter-group dynamics of this particular element of the lumpenproletariat, whether White or Black? I know I don't, except to berate them as the cultural poison which they are. Good evening.

BlackasNight
BlackasNight

This shit is almost as funny as the shit BigPunwannabe Martin over at Phearless is screaming in Xpoz about everybody in the scene but him and his little krew of ex-cons. Esse is seriously delusional. In five years I predict he'll be baggin produce at Food City, if he aint already. Or in prison sucking black cock where he belongs.

R U Serious
R U Serious

Peanut Butter and Jelly decide which one is "Keeping it Real"

PB - "I'm the real sandwhich deal"J - "When you're on the bread, it just looks dead"PB - "I can shake it just like you but I'm so smooth I don't have to"J - "@#$% smooth, your @ss is funky and I saw yo' sista' an she's downright chunky!"PB - "You're spread too thin and I swear you're fruity and you cousin jam is downright snooty"J - "Everyone swears your @ss is nutty and when your cold you're no one's buddy"

Silly huh, just like the arguments in this thread and just about as important. Ask Fiddy or Snoop if they'd like to give back white money from tickets, or hats, or posters, or .....

nuff said.

number88
number88

"What is "trying to be black"?"

well, you know like Jamie Kennedy on the movie Malibu's Most Wanted, I've personally met a couple of guys just like him, except they're not rich!

erik d
erik d

What is "trying to be black"?

number88
number88

c'mon people you have to admitt a white guy trying to be black doesn't look good.

it's very different when a white guy likes the black culture, food, music but trying to be one looks kid of funny!

ForeverYours: )
ForeverYours: )

This, and the column on The homie Will has been far too much. I know, have met, and have held conversations or networked with every last one of the people, except your writers, mentioned in your articles and its quite saddening how they have been talked down upon or dissed by all of this. After reading every word of all the responses... I think it all comes down to letting these writers do just that, write about it...while all of us that are actually involved or doing it be about it. We are the real that do this and live this. Not some story writer. We know what's up.It's just another eye trying to give their definition of something they dont live or know nothing about, but construct it to feed a mind of someone who knows nothing of it. I myself am on the frontlines of AZ graffitti. And have been for many years. I bring this up only as an example of course. An example because it's also is given a bad rep, misrepresented, misdefined,etc. when people try and see it from the outside, rather than being a part of or living it/doing it day in and day out or going through the struggles of trying to make state or national attention.Fubu, Vanilla Ice, Racism, Wigga, White crowd at Blunt Club. So, so sad. Well done New Times. Write about it. A'z up...Be About It.

PS-Dad, if you're reading this from Cali, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna be sending you the latest New Times in the mail any longer.

HaterAid
HaterAid

Wow. Who knew Phoenix rappers were so delicate? All this bs bout love and unity makes me wanna puke. No wonder their little scene has never and likely will never bust out beyond the confines the valley.

GRIME
GRIME

I like that the article made me laugh, I did not like that the article did not address any of the points that Karlie or I made, which were that Phoenix is much more diverse than just black/white, and the New Times tried to create tension between two different hip-hop scenes were none previously existed. I'm not sure where the 'Wigga' term fits in, it seems inconsistent to me to argue in one article that the Blunt Club doesn't accept blacks and in the next article that the people at Blunt Club want to be black. Maybe that's because it's two different writers with two different perspectives, but I would assume you guys would want to settle on a position before you criticize anyone else's. Stephen is a good writer, and I have great respect and admiration for the work he does on the 'anti-illegal' movement, but the piece is more of a defense of New Times than a serious response to the criticisms of Niki's article. I agree with many of his points but that's only because he didn't really challenge any of mine. In our interview we both gave a little on our positions but unfortunately none of that made his article, on the other hand I understand that this is a column so it is what it is. Anyway, the respect is mutual Stephen. I also actually have a lot of respect for Niki as well, who has said extremely gracious things about me in the past and has made a good name for herself at New Times. However, I still feel that your article is irresponsible, and the consequences of it are now being felt in our community. Your piece has created several rifts, some of which I can speak on and some I cannot, some which can be resolved with a sit-down and some that cannot. You have to remember that you're writing about hip-hop, and while you might talk about the roots of hip-hop you still lack a real understanding of that community. I commend you for putting the Phoenix Hip-Hop scene on the cover of New Times, but the way you went about it has upset many people, some of whom do not fit so neatly into your Blunt Club VS Groove Candy paradigm, and unfortunately, most of that anger is not being directed at New Times but amongst ourselves in the Phoenix Hip-Hop community. Ironically, while New Times ridicules people for speaking out against the article, those same people are putting in real work to clean up your mess. I'm sure you're working on a new story by now and have moved far beyond Phoenix Hip-Hop, but we have to stay here and do our best to smooth out the rifts that have been created by your mangling of our community. As far as the Blunt Club and Groove Candy are concerned, these two nights have coexisted for several years now without any real problems. There are indeed two scenes in Arizona Hip-Hop, but although they are separate they are not divided. Your article brought animosity and conflict to a community where there was none before, and now your fabrications have manifested into reality. It is a shame really that the media machine has so much power over something as rebellious and independent as underground hip-hop, but when the dust settles I hope this will be a lesson to all of us. Like I said before, Arizona Hip-Hop is much bigger than Blunt Club VS Groove Candy, and so are the problems that have come about because of your article. We will be in the trenches doing our job, I just hope the next time you write about Phoenix Hip-Hop you do yours.

PEACE

StallionNazi
StallionNazi

"Fat Bigot Bastard with Feathers" and "Feathered Bigot" are both todd stallion, the most obscene cryptoneo-Nazi fucktard in maricopa. count the # of times stallion uses n-word. this shitsucker lights KKK crosses with his kerosene farts.

stallions a psycho troll. now i read he's found jesus. says he has tourettes and is now takling thorazine for it but the thorazines havent kicked in so he still uses n-word. someone please alert authorites that stallion needs the next padded cell. fucking bucktoothed mesa piece of shit freak.

Fat Bigot Bastard with Feather
Fat Bigot Bastard with Feather

"The point was, that it was mass media like TV and Movies that spread the idea that white people couldn't rap or dance."

You mean mass media... Like this Fucking article? In this Mass Media Newspaper. Your mental gymnastics are a sight to behold.

How many non-whites do they have writting articles at the New Times? Perhaps if the New Times wasn't some Dinosaur of White 1970s liberalism, some fat ass like Lemons might not be calling people white Niggers.

erik d
erik d

The point was, that it was mass media like TV and Movies that spread the idea that white people couldn't rap or dance.

That idea didn't originate with the New Times.

Racist Feathered Bigot Bastard
Racist Feathered Bigot Bastard

"The New Times is local, alternative media, not mass media"

The New Times is the Village Voice Corporation which has a circulation of about 1.8 million. Calling something "alternative" does not mean it is not Mass Media.

I suppose the new definition of alternative thanks to Stephen Lemons is hate of Whites and Niggers

erik d
erik d

The New Times is local, alternative media, not mass media.

The Judge
The Judge

you ever seen a white person dance? aha, they look like frickin chicken clucking hen-house pecking seed-pickers! yall white folks need to stand still, shut up, and get a job in the media.

mav of sol camp
mav of sol camp

check this doggies...we been trying to unite the scene for a long time

here is a preview of phoenext the dvd feat artist from both crowds giving love to all

feat willy northpole, grime, sol camp karlie hustle and alot more it was on mtv and mtv2

here part one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4P7...

Todd Stallion
Todd Stallion

"He's been brainwashed by the mass media mind manipulation machine just as much as anyone else."

WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING... Lemons is a featured writer for the Phoenix New Times which is MASS MEDIA

Lempns and the New Times are what you call Left Gate Keepers. Check out this Bullshit from your hero Lemons:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com...

I guarantee 99% of the Arizona Hip Hop community thinks that that article is total bullshit

I bet this lines up more with how they feel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Again... How many of the Lefties at the Phoenix Times are NOT WHITE...

erik d
erik d

Listen:

Everybody is under the delusion that white people can't rap or dance. That is a racist assumption, but it's infected the entire society, not just Lemons.

He's been brainwashed by the mass media mind manipulation machine just as much as anyone else.

Racism is ignorance.

Hating or denouncing anyone for being ignorant is equally ignorant.

If you're more enlightened on a particular topic, then respectfully enlighten someone else.

There's no need for hate or threats.

Just speak your peace.

Racist Bastard
Racist Bastard

"Which is the non-racist form of the word."

Total Bullshit.

A white person calling a black person a Nigga gets his ass kicked just as hard.

"Don't get so caught up on people's words... look at their intent."

The Intent was to claim that White People act like Niggers when the rap.

Which begs the question...

Does he hate Whites or Niggers? Or Just whites when they act like Niggers?

"The guy is not a racist... in every back issue I've been reading, he denounces racists and racism"

He feels that by screaming everyone else is a racist he can get away with his own racial prejudice.

erik d
erik d

But he didn't say "wigger".

He said "wigga".

As in "what's up my nigga?"

Which is the non-racist form of the word.

Like he said, it was a joke to belittle those people who mistakenly called D'Andrea a racist.

Don't get so caught up on people's words... look at their intent.

Lemon's intent was honorable, even if his way of expressing it was misinterpretated by some.

The guy is not a racist... in every back issue I've been reading, he denounces racists and racism, so cut the man some slack.

Feathered Bigot
Feathered Bigot

Wigger... White + Nigger

The Feathered Bastard hates when white people act like Niggers

The Feathered Bastard thinks only Niggers Rap

The Feathered Bastard therefore thinks White people rapping means White People are acting like Niggers

The Question therefore is does the Feathered Bastard Hate Whites, or does he Hate Niggers?

How many Non-Whites write at the PHOENIX NEW TIMES anyways?

Maybe the Real questions should be why Village Voice Media, would allow this Bigot Feathered Bastard to write this Divisive shit. Who gains by dividing Blacks and Whites up really?

The Scientist
The Scientist

its melanin. and its a proven fact that lower levels of it inhibit the brain and prevent the ability to form simple rhymes.

melanin=dope mc.no melanin=wack mc.

White Souljah
White Souljah

Real name? Like Karlie Hustle? Is that YOUR real name? "shakes head"No, you won't find me on MySpace under that name or any other. I don't have a MySpace page and don't intend to.

Karlie Hustle
Karlie Hustle

Hey "White Souljah"...is that your name? Can I find you on MySpace under that? Do tell. It's a lot of internet ghosts on here that talk behind fake screen names. Have some balls, losers. It sucks when a female has more heart to stand by her words than some grown men do. *shakes head*

White Souljah
White Souljah

I think the "R" word has been thrown around a bit much here. The issue is less the "R" word and more the "I" word (Idiocy).

Comment by Karlie Hustle � January 18, 2008 @ 12:32PM

You're right Karlie. Remember, that "idiocy" applies to your own posts as well. Methinks you'd be better off just disappearing outta' here before you do any more damage to yourself. Then again, it may already be too late.

Oliver Hope
Oliver Hope

Go Arizona! This is a great thing for people see about our culture and community when we "break though"!

...lol

Old White Guy
Old White Guy

Don't know nuthin' 'bout dancin'That's why I'm singin' this songOne of my legs is shorter than the other,One of my feets too long.Course now right along wit'em,I got no natural riddemBut I go dancin' every nightHopin' one day that I'll get it right!I'm a dancin' fooool,I'm a dancin' fooooool! - Frank Zappa

rrr
rrr

OMG, most of the people posting here seem like they have no Idea what the New Times writes

Do your research about what type of journalism the New Times is before calling them racists and criticize them.

This is no Arizona Republic idiots!

John Brown
John Brown

White people cant jump. Or rap. Or dance. Or be true to themselves unless they play guitar for kick-ass rocknroll bands. White people should stay away from pretending that they can produce culture. White people have the role and responsibility of strictly consuming and critiquing culture. They are white-bread control-freak European dorks handicapped by their lack of melatonin. I feel sorry for them. Didn't anybody see Billy Hoyle? He cant slam dunk. He's a wuss that can only make 3 pointer shots. Sidney Deane can slam dunk, that proves it right there.

White men cant jump, or rap.Repeat after me.White people cant rap.Now shut up white rappers and get job at a paper, or something where writing can really come in handy.

Ok, now who wants to send in a cd and perform at the new times hiphop showcase?Non-whites only.

Jeff Spicoli
Jeff Spicoli

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine....

GOD
GOD

I love watching you scream at eachother about an article that was informative. If you read "racism" into this story, I would suggest a 4 yr. degree. After that time, come back to the article and read it again. If you still think this article was to "Stir Shit Up" - I would then suggest an 8 yr. Degree. If after this time, you fucking idiots still think the same thing about this article, then I'm afraid you're doomed. You will always live in fear & missunderstanding.

Ps - Vanilla Ice named himself after two white substances. Coincidence? No. That guy is a total racist!

Pss - My last 'ps' was to give you dumbfucks something else to yell at eachother about.

Pss - I ate a dog today with the Caveman. Tasty..

Ra
Ra

Comments keep disappearing and reappearing every time I load this site.

Ra
Ra

The New Times likes to practice censorship of this site by deleting comments they don't like, and leaving the more controversial ones up, in order to stir up more conflict.

Almighty Ra
Almighty Ra

Sorry to diss Willy by shit talking, but it's really the lying New Times I was lashing out at, and I couldn't resist the bait offered in yesterdays letters page cartoon calling Willy's name stupid. I don't even know Willy Northpole, but I wish the cat all the best in his career. The sooner he blows up, the better for the whole AZ. Go Willy, and Fuck the New Times.

Karlie Hustle
Karlie Hustle

I think the "R" word has been thrown around a bit much here. The issue is less the "R" word and more the "I" word (Idiocy).

MEXICANO
MEXICANO

this article is worse then the other one. whats wrong with you new times. putting out sick ish like this. you all are trying to start something that dont need to be started. BUNCH OF RACIST FUCKS.

RA
RA

By the way, Willy Northpole really is the stupidest fucking name for a rapper that I have ever heard in my life.

What is he, a fucking penguin?

Ra
Ra

If, as Lemons claims, blackness is the true measure of real hip hop, and Vanilla Ice was so wack and untalented, then why were most of Vanilla Ice's early fans black?

I'm talking about before he ever got a record deal and before he got huge... most of his fans and concert audiences when he first started out was composed of primarily black people, and they liked him and his music

So, what the fuck kind of bullshit is Lemons and the New Times trying to perpetrate now?

 
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